what gloves? we don’t have hands to throw any punches. if we did we’d have already done so when UAPDA was gutted last year.
ZebraBorgata on
The folks keeping the secrets are the same ones with the power to keep knocking it (UAPDA) down. If the official route to disclosure isn’t going to work, the nuclear option should be considered.
CampaignSure4532 on
See here is what I hate – “there are other things in the works” and it’s totally catastrophic.
Okay, homie they’ve killed it twice now. If the gloves are coming off, now is the time to take them off and make some *actual verifiable actionable claims*. But instead – it’s “shhh shit is coming, don’t worry about it, we’ll let you know.” ENOUGH.
Protcall on
sooooo what’s plan B?
Enough-Bike-4718 on
Once again old greedy boomers hoard information because it makes them feel special.
MW2077 on
Catastrophic. Disclosure.
shkeptikal on
*If* even 2% of the UAP topic is true then the people who pay for our “representatives” re-election campaigns (which cost over $50,000,000 on average in the Senate these days, btw) don’t want this to come out because it would tank their profit margins.
Remember, public opinion has statistically *zero* influence on policy passed in our country these days according to the numbers and the several studies that have been done on them. From Stanford to Gilens & Page, the data is clear. They’re not going to give up the eternal predatory pissing match that is the top 1% of our economy just because the people want it to happen. It’s just not gonna happen. We don’t even have a majority asking for it and we can’t even get first world healthcare or legalized cannabis *with* a majority ffs. *That’s* the reality, as uncomfortable as it may be.
If you have information about UAP and you’re waiting for Congress to do the right thing, you’re more than likely wasting your time. If the people working these programs don’t push the information out, it’s not getting out. It’s that simple. The most influential and wealthy people on the planet (some of which foot those annual $50,000,000 campaign bills) will fight tooth and nail against it, and they’ll win.
nanosam on
This is surprising to anyone?
80 years of lies and deception, and siphoning 100s of billions of dollars to programs with ZERO oversight?
The scale of corruption and misappropriation of funds here is absolutely monumental these folks are not going to just let UAPDA happen.
You know what happens when you try to cut off someone’s money flow and shine light into an agency that has NEVER passed an audit?
Bruh the disclosure will never happen willingly. The whistleblowers will have to break all their NDAs and agreements with the government and risk everything they have. That is the only way anything will ever happen
gorzaporp on
Lmao… what gloves? Whining on the internet? That glove?
Ancient-Meaning3991 on
A scandal, right? How can one be against the study of this topic? Even skeptics should have an interest in finding out why high-ranking government officials say such things under oath. There is simply no rational argument against measures to clarify the UFO issue.
OneDimensionPrinter on
Plopping the full text of these in here for easy reading.
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**TITLE X—UNIDENTIFIED ANOMALOUS PHENOMENA**
**SEC. 1001. COMPTROLLER GENERAL OF THE UNITED STATES REVIEW OF ALL-DOMAIN ANOMALY RESOLUTION OFFICE.**
(a) **DEFINITIONS.**—In this section, the terms ‘‘congressional defense committees’’, ‘‘congressional leadership’’, and ‘‘unidentified anomalous phenomena’’ have the meanings given such terms in section 1683(n) of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2022 (50 U.S.C. 3373(n)).
(b) **REVIEW REQUIRED.**—The Comptroller General of the United States shall conduct a review of the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (in this section referred to as the ‘‘Office’’).
(c) **ELEMENTS.**—The review conducted pursuant to subsection (b) shall include the following:
1. A review of the implementation by the Office of the duties and requirements of the Office under section 1683 of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2022 (50 U.S.C. 3373), such as the process for operational unidentified anomalous phenomena reporting and coordination with the Department of Defense, the intelligence community, and other departments and agencies of the Federal Government and non-Government entities.
2. A review of such other matters relating to the activities of the Office that pertain to unidentified anomalous phenomena as the Comptroller General considers appropriate.
(d) **REPORT.**—Following the review required by subsection (b), in a timeframe mutually agreed upon by the congressional intelligence committees, the congressional defense committees, congressional leadership, and the Comptroller General, the Comptroller General shall submit to such committees and congressional leadership a report on the findings of the Comptroller General with respect to the review conducted under subsection (b).
Docgnostoc on
After all this we did worse than last year..how?
DaftWarrior on
Project Blue Balls never ends. Hopefully we won’t waste another year.
pixMystical on
Well what does that mean the gloves come off?
How do you force the US government to do anything?
nullzeroerror on
Gloves? To do what? Lmao. Please
ThaFresh on
so theres concurrently nothing to see here, and something they cant possibly tell us, History is going to reflect very poorly on these twits
KingWaluigi on
At this rate. The UAPDA will make it in fully by 2104. Slowly adding piece by piece in
DogOfTheBone on
Ok, so let’s have all these people supposedly in the know leak everything. Truly blow the whistle.
Or does gloves coming off mean something else…? More gish gallop, two weeks, we’ll try again next year?
Brock_O_Lii on
This is disappointing and frustrating, but not a surprise.
Sign-Spiritual on
Funding limitation. That’s more of that republican power of the purse bullshit. If they control the money they still control the narrative. Maybe there’s a good way to take this. The idea of sundowning requirements for audits could open the door to something hopeful. Perhaps more independent studies.
silv3rbull8 on
Seems like no legislation is ever going to make it into law
OneDmg on
Wake me up when any of these glorified book sellers have anything to actually show that would make statements like “the gloves come off now” meaningful.
My bet is they’re all breathing a deep sigh of relief. This means they can sell “coming soon” for profit a little longer.
David_Parker on
What gloves dude? You gonna go slap the head of Lockheed and challenge him to a duel?
“I’m really angry!”
Ok.
Delicious_Maize_3019 on
The last time the gloves came off and you claimed you would “bring the Pentagon to its knees” was a complete wet fart.
whiskeypenguin on
So what happened..I thought there was support on both sides of the aisle? This is getting old.
jcwd10569 on
I agree with Lue that the legacy program workers should receive an award, and thank them for their service, but the time has come to move in a different direction. However, shooting these agreements down only wants me to see them face charges because this information is being held unconstitutionally and is overall a disservice to the human race.
AAAAHaSPIDER on
The government is not going to disclose anything. Especially not during an election year.
I’m just hoping some resourceful hackers or whistle blowers push for catastrophic disclosure.
Necessary-Rub-2748 on
Unfortunately there are no “gloves”. People will not come forward with anything more than “trust me bro”. Until legislation moves forward, we are at the mercy of the information gatekeepers, and that’s how they prefer it.
bobmarley888 on
what gloves
theres not remotely enough interest among the general public to manifest any meaningful political praxis in order to change anything
ps: fuck republicunts
BlownWideOpen on
Not surprised.
The only way this stuff is coming out is a Snowden-style leak.
ZahricAurelian on
Catastrophic Disclosure train! All aboard!
HengShi on
Sorry folks but signing online petitions aren’t enough. The replies to this post are as disorganized as the effort to get this passed. We didn’t even organize a single lobby day for this. Until we learn to actually advocate and organize in the real world for this we’re going to keep getting the same result or none at all bc the effort will be dropped on the hill.
It’s not enough for a handful of former insiders to do all the heavy lifting to get a bill of this magnitude passed.
heX_dzh on
Who is surprised? While I appreciate the hard work of those who pushed for it, the gov’t will NEVER reveal anything about this subject. Unless they are forced to, and the people who can do that are too busy writing nonsense and touring.
harambeliveson42069 on
Maybe lue should just tell us himself at this point because he wants “our government” to have the talk with us, but they obviously don’t want to!!
19observer86 on
So it’s 2024 and allegedly something’s coming in 2027/2035. But we, the public, won’t know about it. Other’s know, but it’s not their story to tell, because national security. But they it’s truly spine-shivering and sobering.
On top that that, protections for true whistleblowers is a joke so no wonder we don’t see any of these 40 (and supposedly Greer had over 700 hundred?) whistleblowers come out.
No wonder why folks get jaded about this topic over time when stuff like this happens and you deal with all of this cognitive dissonance.
AlienEnjoyer69 on
Would be nice if any of these 40 witnesses came forward. Not one has any balls to do the right thing.
Hey Ross how about you share the location of that giant craft huh?
jman_23 on
WOW. That’s insane.
I gotta say, it didn’t make sense to me why Lue wasn’t pounding the table on UAPDA and recommending the public phone their representatives during this month of media appearances.
The only thing I could see maybe making sense is that there’s a 3-D chess going on where the big names and big leaks could only be coaxed out with an “in emergencies, break glass” moment. So fingers crossed that we’re headed in that direction.
GyattScratchFever on
You have to legally battle to release the truth about humankind. 🤣 Gofigure.
JayR_97 on
Catastrophic Disclosure is the only way at this point.
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MetaInformation on
Which gloves? A neww book or a plan B Jeremy Corbell talked about and never actually excuted it?
Matt im going to be straight forward with you, i’ve been trying my best the last 12 months to do something about it, but citizens can’t do shit if all the disclosure advocates keep giving shitty excuses and then false promises of a “plan B” if the NDAA fails and when the time comes the plan B never happens
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The UAPDA is essentially dead with only three provisions included. Do not despair there are other things in the works. We do not give up. We fight.
WHO’s responsible? WHY? HOW?
Does anyone happen to have the text of the second item in the list here? Curious about the specifics.
Edit: I posted the full text of each of the items here in this thread.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1flhjcx/comment/lo34k72
what gloves? we don’t have hands to throw any punches. if we did we’d have already done so when UAPDA was gutted last year.
The folks keeping the secrets are the same ones with the power to keep knocking it (UAPDA) down. If the official route to disclosure isn’t going to work, the nuclear option should be considered.
See here is what I hate – “there are other things in the works” and it’s totally catastrophic.
Okay, homie they’ve killed it twice now. If the gloves are coming off, now is the time to take them off and make some *actual verifiable actionable claims*. But instead – it’s “shhh shit is coming, don’t worry about it, we’ll let you know.” ENOUGH.
sooooo what’s plan B?
Once again old greedy boomers hoard information because it makes them feel special.
Catastrophic. Disclosure.
*If* even 2% of the UAP topic is true then the people who pay for our “representatives” re-election campaigns (which cost over $50,000,000 on average in the Senate these days, btw) don’t want this to come out because it would tank their profit margins.
Remember, public opinion has statistically *zero* influence on policy passed in our country these days according to the numbers and the several studies that have been done on them. From Stanford to Gilens & Page, the data is clear. They’re not going to give up the eternal predatory pissing match that is the top 1% of our economy just because the people want it to happen. It’s just not gonna happen. We don’t even have a majority asking for it and we can’t even get first world healthcare or legalized cannabis *with* a majority ffs. *That’s* the reality, as uncomfortable as it may be.
If you have information about UAP and you’re waiting for Congress to do the right thing, you’re more than likely wasting your time. If the people working these programs don’t push the information out, it’s not getting out. It’s that simple. The most influential and wealthy people on the planet (some of which foot those annual $50,000,000 campaign bills) will fight tooth and nail against it, and they’ll win.
This is surprising to anyone?
80 years of lies and deception, and siphoning 100s of billions of dollars to programs with ZERO oversight?
The scale of corruption and misappropriation of funds here is absolutely monumental these folks are not going to just let UAPDA happen.
You know what happens when you try to cut off someone’s money flow and shine light into an agency that has NEVER passed an audit?
Bruh the disclosure will never happen willingly. The whistleblowers will have to break all their NDAs and agreements with the government and risk everything they have. That is the only way anything will ever happen
Lmao… what gloves? Whining on the internet? That glove?
A scandal, right? How can one be against the study of this topic? Even skeptics should have an interest in finding out why high-ranking government officials say such things under oath. There is simply no rational argument against measures to clarify the UFO issue.
Plopping the full text of these in here for easy reading.
—
**TITLE X—UNIDENTIFIED ANOMALOUS PHENOMENA**
**SEC. 1001. COMPTROLLER GENERAL OF THE UNITED STATES REVIEW OF ALL-DOMAIN ANOMALY RESOLUTION OFFICE.**
(a) **DEFINITIONS.**—In this section, the terms ‘‘congressional defense committees’’, ‘‘congressional leadership’’, and ‘‘unidentified anomalous phenomena’’ have the meanings given such terms in section 1683(n) of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2022 (50 U.S.C. 3373(n)).
(b) **REVIEW REQUIRED.**—The Comptroller General of the United States shall conduct a review of the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (in this section referred to as the ‘‘Office’’).
(c) **ELEMENTS.**—The review conducted pursuant to subsection (b) shall include the following:
1. A review of the implementation by the Office of the duties and requirements of the Office under section 1683 of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2022 (50 U.S.C. 3373), such as the process for operational unidentified anomalous phenomena reporting and coordination with the Department of Defense, the intelligence community, and other departments and agencies of the Federal Government and non-Government entities.
2. A review of such other matters relating to the activities of the Office that pertain to unidentified anomalous phenomena as the Comptroller General considers appropriate.
(d) **REPORT.**—Following the review required by subsection (b), in a timeframe mutually agreed upon by the congressional intelligence committees, the congressional defense committees, congressional leadership, and the Comptroller General, the Comptroller General shall submit to such committees and congressional leadership a report on the findings of the Comptroller General with respect to the review conducted under subsection (b).
After all this we did worse than last year..how?
Project Blue Balls never ends. Hopefully we won’t waste another year.
Well what does that mean the gloves come off?
How do you force the US government to do anything?
Gloves? To do what? Lmao. Please
so theres concurrently nothing to see here, and something they cant possibly tell us, History is going to reflect very poorly on these twits
At this rate. The UAPDA will make it in fully by 2104. Slowly adding piece by piece in
Ok, so let’s have all these people supposedly in the know leak everything. Truly blow the whistle.
Or does gloves coming off mean something else…? More gish gallop, two weeks, we’ll try again next year?
This is disappointing and frustrating, but not a surprise.
Funding limitation. That’s more of that republican power of the purse bullshit. If they control the money they still control the narrative. Maybe there’s a good way to take this. The idea of sundowning requirements for audits could open the door to something hopeful. Perhaps more independent studies.
Seems like no legislation is ever going to make it into law
Wake me up when any of these glorified book sellers have anything to actually show that would make statements like “the gloves come off now” meaningful.
My bet is they’re all breathing a deep sigh of relief. This means they can sell “coming soon” for profit a little longer.
What gloves dude? You gonna go slap the head of Lockheed and challenge him to a duel?
“I’m really angry!”
Ok.
The last time the gloves came off and you claimed you would “bring the Pentagon to its knees” was a complete wet fart.
So what happened..I thought there was support on both sides of the aisle? This is getting old.
I agree with Lue that the legacy program workers should receive an award, and thank them for their service, but the time has come to move in a different direction. However, shooting these agreements down only wants me to see them face charges because this information is being held unconstitutionally and is overall a disservice to the human race.
The government is not going to disclose anything. Especially not during an election year.
I’m just hoping some resourceful hackers or whistle blowers push for catastrophic disclosure.
Unfortunately there are no “gloves”. People will not come forward with anything more than “trust me bro”. Until legislation moves forward, we are at the mercy of the information gatekeepers, and that’s how they prefer it.
what gloves
theres not remotely enough interest among the general public to manifest any meaningful political praxis in order to change anything
ps: fuck republicunts
Not surprised.
The only way this stuff is coming out is a Snowden-style leak.
Catastrophic Disclosure train! All aboard!
Sorry folks but signing online petitions aren’t enough. The replies to this post are as disorganized as the effort to get this passed. We didn’t even organize a single lobby day for this. Until we learn to actually advocate and organize in the real world for this we’re going to keep getting the same result or none at all bc the effort will be dropped on the hill.
It’s not enough for a handful of former insiders to do all the heavy lifting to get a bill of this magnitude passed.
Who is surprised? While I appreciate the hard work of those who pushed for it, the gov’t will NEVER reveal anything about this subject. Unless they are forced to, and the people who can do that are too busy writing nonsense and touring.
Maybe lue should just tell us himself at this point because he wants “our government” to have the talk with us, but they obviously don’t want to!!
So it’s 2024 and allegedly something’s coming in 2027/2035. But we, the public, won’t know about it. Other’s know, but it’s not their story to tell, because national security. But they it’s truly spine-shivering and sobering.
On top that that, protections for true whistleblowers is a joke so no wonder we don’t see any of these 40 (and supposedly Greer had over 700 hundred?) whistleblowers come out.
No wonder why folks get jaded about this topic over time when stuff like this happens and you deal with all of this cognitive dissonance.
Would be nice if any of these 40 witnesses came forward. Not one has any balls to do the right thing.
Hey Ross how about you share the location of that giant craft huh?
WOW. That’s insane.
I gotta say, it didn’t make sense to me why Lue wasn’t pounding the table on UAPDA and recommending the public phone their representatives during this month of media appearances.
The only thing I could see maybe making sense is that there’s a 3-D chess going on where the big names and big leaks could only be coaxed out with an “in emergencies, break glass” moment. So fingers crossed that we’re headed in that direction.
You have to legally battle to release the truth about humankind. 🤣 Gofigure.
Catastrophic Disclosure is the only way at this point.
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Which gloves? A neww book or a plan B Jeremy Corbell talked about and never actually excuted it?
Matt im going to be straight forward with you, i’ve been trying my best the last 12 months to do something about it, but citizens can’t do shit if all the disclosure advocates keep giving shitty excuses and then false promises of a “plan B” if the NDAA fails and when the time comes the plan B never happens