The Debrief just posted an article and I didn't see it posted yet. The tone and the content rubbed me the wrong way.

I am open to the ~who knows~ of it all, but this tone felt reallllllly dismissive, curious to hear what you think.

Also, am I the only one that, this far in, shirks at the term 'aliens'?

Alien Visitation Beliefs Are “Spiraling Out of Control,” Becoming a Societal Problem, Warns Prominent Philosopher – The Debrief

Text: The topic of unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) and the possibility that some form of alien or non-human intelligence is visiting Earth has captured immense public interest in recent years.

However, in a thought-provoking paper accepted for publication in the Proceedings of the International Astronomical Union, Scottish philosopher, and professor at King’s College London, Dr. Tony Milligan, argues that this increased belief in alien visitation is fast becoming a widespread societal issue, posing challenges to science communication, government policy, and even cultural integrity. 

In his forthcoming paper, Equivocal Encounters: Alien Visitation Claims as a Societal Problem, Dr. Milligan suggests the rise of social media and the increasing influence of UAP claims in public and political discourse demands a more robust response than the periodic debunking efforts traditionally employed by the scientific community.

“This belief is slightly paradoxical as we have zero evidence that aliens even exist,” Dr. Milligan wrote in an article published by The Conversation. “If beliefs of this sort, in conspiracy, concealment, and collaboration, have made it into the mainstream, then periodic debunking has simply not worked.” 

Dr. Milligan contends that the alien visitation narrative, once confined to countercultural fringes and conspiracy theorists, is now making serious inroads into the political mainstream. 

In the past year, the belief in alien visitation has only intensified, largely fueled by several former government officials who have claimed that the U.S. government has secretly recovered crashed vehicles of non-human origin.

In 2023, The Debrief was the first media outlet to report that David Grusch, a former Air Force officer and intelligence specialist with the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) and the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO), had filed an official complaint with the Intelligence Community Inspector General (ICIG). 

Grusch alleges that the U.S. government has recovered several vehicles “of exotic origin—attributed to non-human intelligence, whether extraterrestrial or otherwise unknown—based on their unique vehicle morphologies, material science analyses, and distinctive atomic arrangements and radiological signatures.”

In July 2023, Grusch reiterated his claims under oath before the Congressional Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs. In response, the Pentagon has denied that the Department of Defense (DoD) has recovered any “exotic technologies” or operates secret alien reverse engineering programs.

Because Grusch’s assertions of recovered alien craft are closely tied to classified information and national security programs, it remains virtually impossible for journalists, scientists, or the general public to verify or refute his statements.

While much of the fascination with aliens is harmless or confined to bickering on social media, Dr. Milligan argues that its expansion into mainstream belief systems can also have troubling consequences. 

The persistence of these beliefs—and the increasing pressure on governments and scientific institutions to address them—has stretched beyond simple curiosity into a problem that touches various societal sectors.

Dr. Milligan suggests that the traditional approach to handling alien visitation claims—periodic public debunking—is no longer sufficient. He further argues that dismissing alien visitation narratives without engaging in deeper discourse may even be counterproductive. 

“If we hold that the practice of science in a democratic society requires the answerability of the science community to sustained public concerns, then something more robust may be due,” Dr. Milligan asserts. “This will be the case even if the end story that is told (‘no aliens, no cover-up, no conspiracy’) is likely to be the same.” 

The exponential rise in social media platforms has amplified the potential for unsubstantiated claims, making it harder for scientific facts to break through the “background noise” that detracts from serious scientific discourse.  The focus often shifts to debunking sensational claims rather than fostering meaningful scientific dialogue.

Dr. Milligan acknowledged that social media or news outlets, like The Debrief, have played a particular role in shaping the conversation surrounding alien visitation beliefs. However, he says that science, as a whole, could do a better job addressing unscientific populism. 

“There are responsibilities that all of us have. I don’t think that we could police social media even if we wanted to. It’s too big, too varied and too entrenched,” Dr. Milligan explained to The Debrief in an email. “But people from the sciences could do much more outreach and aim for a stronger ongoing presence so that people can start to see the difference between real science and plausible imitations.”

“I also think that analytic skills (especially argument building and recognition of the difference between good and bad arguments) could be taken more seriously across academia,” he added. “In recent years, it has been watered down. Pseudoscience thrives upon bad argumentation, weak analogies, fallacies, and grudge argumentation. But without a solid analytic background, it is hard for younger academics to recognize the box of tricks that get used, and so rather than being easily recognized as bad reasoning, pseudoscience can sound a lot like fearless thinking.” 

In fields like biology and astronomy, where public understanding is already limited, the intrusion of alien visitation narratives can further complicate the communication of scientific findings.

“Particular difficulties get in the way of astrobiology outreach,” Dr. Milligan notes. “We are making progress towards understanding the origins, emergence, distribution, and survival of rudimentary life forms. However, discussions about ‘life’ and ‘space’ can easily be confused with storytelling about aliens crashing into hillsides.”

For Dr. Milligan, this is particularly concerning in the context of cultural astronomy—where astronomy intersects with indigenous cultures. He points out that Indigenous storytelling, which is deeply respected by many astronomers, is increasingly being muddled with alien visitation narratives. This fusion of indigenous origin stories with modern UFO claims can distort traditional narratives, making it difficult to separate fact from fiction.

“Astronomy faces a specialized problem because it requires ground infrastructure in indigenous areas where local people may have been worked over pretty badly by the ‘ancient aliens’ people and convinced that ‘the scientific establishment’ is concealing the truth about ancient indigenous technologies,” Dr. Milligan said. “Responsible siting of astronomy infrastructure draws upon a sense of the importance of cultural astronomy, but that becomes really tough when authentic cultural astronomy gets intermingled with new age tales and suspicions.”

Despite his criticisms, Dr. Milligan does not call for an immediate dismissal of the legitimate study and investigation of unidentified aerial phenomena or possible near-Earth evidence of alien life. 

Instead, he advocates for a more measured yet engaged response. He suggests that while current responses may not be sufficient for much longer, it is not yet time for a full-scale paradigm shift in how science tackles the issue.

In his paper, Dr. Milligan points to scientists like Harvard’s Dr. Avi Loeb, and his establishment of the Galileo Project, or Dr. Martin Elvis, who have advocated for scientific research programs exploring alien visitation claims in a more structured manner.

In his paper, Dr. Milligan notes about the Galileo Project and Dr. Loeb, “Rather than targeting the wilder horizons of dubious testimony about abduction, they have focused upon equivocal material evidence in forms such as possible derelict craft and possible physical residues.” 

Critics have suggested that Dr. Loeb’s scientific approach to hunting for alien visitors is “shaped too much by wanting to believe” and “too entangled in the kinds of populist narratives.”

However, Dr. Milligan points out that based on current attitudes towards topics like UAP or alien visitation, “it may simply be difficult to build any robust SRP program dedicated to [the] evaluation of artifact claims without involving a disproportionate number of people who also want to believe, and who have a certain attitude towards the conservatism of more mainstream lines of scientific research.”

While Dr. Milligan does not necessarily endorse scientific research programs focused solely on hunting for near-Earth alien life, he acknowledged that such programs could have merit, provided they maintain scientific rigor.

“If someone comes to me and says, ‘I have a research group of properly trained people, none of us are here because we believe in a range of weird stuff. Everyone has been screened, and nobody believes in parapsychology, Bigfoot, or a conspiracy at Roswell. What we are going to do is to look at objects like ‘Oumuamua and ask ‘is this an artifact or natural object?’ Well, that sounds ok, and they might turn out decent conference papers,” Dr. Mulligan told The Debrief. “Research programs of this sort are fundable, they add to a sense within the science community that we really have looked at what should be looked at. Really, it is just an extension of SETI, with a broadly similar set of limited expectations.”

“But this sort of program does not need massive or questionable levels of funding. The research does not need a big consortium, or the colossal effort required to image black holes,” Dr. Milligan adds. “I wouldn’t recommend that anyone devote their career to this sort of monitoring, but it would be scientific monitoring rather than pseudoscience, and even when it keeps saying ‘we looked and there is still nothing to see,’ it would still contribute to our wider understanding of why some celestial objects move in odd ways.”

Although Dr. Milligan expresses skepticism about the likelihood of alien contact, he stresses that societal beliefs around these matters are social phenomena worthy of serious attention. Even in the absence of actual visitation, the fact that so many people believe in the possibility creates ripple effects in science, government policy, and public discourse.

*edited to remove personal context that, in reflection, would have been unnecessarily contentious

by Own-Resolution-8476

14 Comments

  1. *”This belief is slightly paradoxical as we have zero evidence that aliens even exist,” Dr. Milligan wrote in an article published by The Conversation. “If beliefs of this sort, in conspiracy, concealment, and collaboration, have made it into the mainstream, then periodic debunking has simply not worked.”*

    This guy can fuck right off.

  2. Someone needs to create a list of these people so we can ask them about these articles if Disclosure ever happens.

  3. I used to be a dogmatic debunker of parapsychology, before discovering first hand that those phenomena like clairvoyance and precognition are real. I’m also quite familiar with the psi (ESP) research, and get into debates with other dogmatic debunkers who are just like I was. What these people do is insist on having harsh double standards so that they can attempt to dismiss evidence of things that they cannot except. One of the most common double standards is that psychic research is done mostly by “believers”. They insist that all of the research by “believers” in parapsychology be thrown out. Even though all throughout science, most of the time the people doing research in their areas believe they will document the phenomena they are looking for, such as a Higgs boson. Anyhow, look at the part I bolded here:

    >“If someone comes to me and says, ‘I have a research group of properly trained people, none of us are here because we believe in a range of weird stuff. **Everyone has been screened, and nobody believes in parapsychology**, Bigfoot, or a conspiracy at Roswell. What we are going to do is to look at objects like ‘Oumuamua and ask ‘is this an artifact or natural object?’ Well, that sounds ok, and they might turn out decent conference papers,” Dr. Mulligan told The Debrief. “Research programs of this sort are fundable,

  4. I’ve read this story before, and the part that really makes me “LOL” is when he says that there’s no proof that aliens exist (I agree), and all these crazy stories about little green men are polluting important indigenous fairy tales about the moon being a giant turtle!

  5. You could argue it from the opposite end too. Hiding stuff exacerbates the problem. If scientists want to be taken seriously and have their message rise above the din of the masses, then they need to actually have access to all of the data and make statements, comments or judgements on the data.

    Considering that they do not have this data, his statements are asinine. No self-respecting scientist would make that bold of a claim without reviewing all of the data. At best, all he could say is, “Based on the evidence I have at my disposal, which admittedly is limited and incomplete, my personal *opinion* on the matter is, ‘I don’t believe aliens even exist.'”

    What’s happening is that the social media systems can be used to share information outside of their purview, and propaganda campaigns and disinformation campaigns can roam freely impacting unsuspecting citizenry across the planet.

    To properly gain control this system, you need to roll out the truth as quickly as possible. That’s the only way to quell the problems they created in the first place.

    The best antidote for disinformation or social decoherence is the truth.

  6. sudoaptgetnicotine on

    Beliefs in 25,000 different religious areas are and have been spiraling for millennia, but society believing in space people are bad mkay, ignore the religious wars that are happening and will continue to happen, but damn you for thinking about space and plane visitors.

  7. TheWesternMythos on

    It’s a bit of a mixed bag for me.

    On the negative side, it does something which those in the scientific community look down at others for, yet also engage in. Being to presumptuous about what does and does exist. 

    While he does caveat a bit, the overall tone of the article is that there is nothing to alleged visitations. Yet to there has not been a sufficient examination of the data to justify that position. Considering how many times we have had to overturn our previous ideas about the universe, this mild form of doublethink is exceedingly annoying. 

    On the positive side, one could read his comments as an endorsement of a more serious look at the topic. It seems like he is already assuming what the result will be, but there are examples of scientists assuming a conclusion but still doing honest work and being shocked to find a different result. The discovery of the expansion of the universe is one obvious example. 

    > Dr. Milligan suggests that the traditional approach to handling alien visitation claims—periodic public debunking—is no longer sufficient. He further argues that dismissing alien visitation narratives without engaging in deeper discourse may even be counterproductive. 

    > “If we hold that the practice of science in a democratic society requires the answerability of the science community to sustained public concerns, then something more robust may be due,” Dr. Milligan asserts. “This will be the case even if the end story that is told (‘no aliens, no cover-up, no conspiracy’) is likely to be the same.” 

    This deeper discourse, if preformed as earnest and unbiased as possible could be huge for both the disclosure and scientific communities. And down right awesome for the people who consider themselves part of both!

  8. Wow, this is trying to make a comeback? Three weeks ago it was artificially amplified by a number of outlets.

    The author of the [source paper](https://kclpure.kcl.ac.uk/ws/portalfiles/portal/293600954/IAU_Equivocal_Encounters_Paper_2024.pdf) (Tony Milligan) is currently a researcher with the Cosmological Visionaries project, within the Department of Theology and Religious Studies.

    It’s strange to me that this little known theology/cosmology philosopher not only published this “paper” (basically an op-ed in and of itself), but that he wrote an article *about* the paper and is finding a bunch of outlets to carry it.

    Newsweek’s article basically just paraphrased his article, almost word for word in spots, under a different author’s name. They even called this a “study”, when in fact, it’s simply a five page paper with three citations that do nothing to support the central argument.

  9. > then periodic debunking has simply not worked

    Or, perhaps, it’s because an increasing number of people thanks to [**normalization and reduction in stigma**](https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1fq1x5f/on_rufos_and_similar_spaces_normalization/) are willing to say if they have seen something?

    [17% of academics *alone*](https://news.virginia.edu/content/despite-stigma-ufo-survey-finds-19-academics-say-theyve-had-strange-sightings) reported having seen a UFO/UAP.

    Those seven quoted words in this context sound, frankly, like whining that people are unwilling to modify their belief systems and *experiences* to match what the author seems to think will make *them* most comfortable. The author is not entitled to such comforts.

  10. People carry on believing in outright made up religious bullshit that actually has an effect on behavior and creates fear, hatred and judgement in our world as a baseline and this guy claims people believing experiencers who claim to have encountered aliens is the issue? Academia really has become a total fucking joke.

  11. rangefoulerexpert on

    >the periodic debunking has simply not worked

    Not a single case from space has been debunked

    Not a single case from under the water has been debunked

    Not a single transmedium case has been debunked

    Not a single UAP that has damaged our planes have been debunked

    Not a single UAP that caused 2nd degree burns to servicemen has been debunked

    Not a single UAP that has been shot down by a tomahawk been debunked

    Not a single UAP that interrupts missions and trainings has been debunked

    Not a single UAP that has shut down military bases and nuclear sites has been debunked

  12. This guy is a risk of self unaliving, when the inevitable happens.

    These are the people who are MOST at risk of ontological shock.

Leave A Reply